Posts by raymond frantz

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

Elmer, as regards Wilmslow you need to ask Kim Silvio, she can vouch for me, as regards redsetter2 I chose to believe him and when you start putting your face on screen I will take you seriously, until then anything is possible, you may be the real wolf that tries to drive actrivists away from this site, like mr Evans did, so no I will not play to your tune and I won't fall behind your mantra, you sound like an ex elder

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Beware of someone who will "cry wolf"!

by redsetter2 in

the following is an excerpt from one of aesop's fables.. the boy who cried "wolf"!.

there once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep.

to amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, "wolf!

raymond frantz

Whether I choose to believe redsetter2 or not is based on my own personal criteria of vetting his information.Why do we give whistleblowers such a hard time is beyond me.Cant we all agree that we are independent individuals and can be our own arbiter of truth? Why do we need a committee of trusted exjw brothers like the Watchtower to make informed decisions of what we consider truth or not?

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SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

raymond frantz

I think the freedom to impose these new changes at will is coming to an end, according to the new changes the circuit overseers will serve far longer than 3 years in a circuit and they will recommend elders not the other way around , if that is the case wiggle room for light treatment for friends and family by the local elders is coming to an end too, what do you think?

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GERMAN EXJW YOUTUBE CHANNEL WINS IN COURT

by raymond frantz in

this following story is about the german exjw channel jz help that received a cease and desist letter from the watchtower : "we embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the jehovah's witnesses community.

it all began when our youtube channel, initially named jw victim assistance, was abruptly suspended in august 2019 by the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights.

subsequently, in october, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'jw' within a short timeframe.

raymond frantz

3rdgen, you're welcome!

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GERMAN EXJW YOUTUBE CHANNEL WINS IN COURT

by raymond frantz in

this following story is about the german exjw channel jz help that received a cease and desist letter from the watchtower : "we embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the jehovah's witnesses community.

it all began when our youtube channel, initially named jw victim assistance, was abruptly suspended in august 2019 by the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights.

subsequently, in october, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'jw' within a short timeframe.

raymond frantz

This following story is about the German exjw channel JZ Help that received a cease and desist letter from the Watchtower : "We embarked on a journey to shed light on human rights violations within the Jehovah's Witnesses community. It all began when our YouTube channel, initially named JW Victim Assistance, was abruptly suspended in August 2019 by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, claiming a breach of human rights. Subsequently, in October, we received a cease and desist notice, demanding the cessation of using the abbreviation 'JW' within a short timeframe. We had previously registered the trademark 'JW,' and during the objection period, an appeal was lodged by the organization. Seeking legal advice, we found the odds of winning a legal battle to be 50-50 due to the trademark already being registered by the Society of Pennsylvania. Moreover, the associated legal costs posed a significant financial burden, which we were unable to bear at the time. Consequently, we reached a settlement agreement, agreeing to discontinue the use of 'JW' and adopting 'JZ' instead. This prompted us to update our online presence and social media platforms accordingly, renaming our association and revising our branding.However, our efforts to move forward were met with another challenge in October 2020 when we received a similar cease and desist notice from the Jehovah's Witnesses religious community in Germany, despite the trademark already being registered. This time, we chose not to agree to a settlement but continued using the trademark, leading to a lawsuit from the Jehovah's Witnesses before the Regional Court of Frankfurt. To our relief, the court dismissed the lawsuit, stating that the Jehovah's Witnesses had not adequately demonstrated their use of the 'JZ' trademark in commerce.Subsequently, the Jehovah's Witnesses appealed the decision, leading to a hearing in November 2023. The court proposed a settlement suggesting that we refrain from using 'JZ' as a sole trademark but allowed us to continue using 'JZ Help.' Despite our agreement to the proposed settlement, the Jehovah's Witnesses rejected it, aiming to cease our association's activities altogether. However, in January 2024, the court ruled in our favor, dismissing the Jehovah's Witnesses' lawsuit and granting our counterclaim as an association.This legal victory underscores the unjust nature of the cease and desist notices we received. It highlights the Jehovah's Witnesses' attempts to silence dissent and control the narrative. Despite the challenges we faced, the unwavering support of our members allowed us to persevere. Moving forward, we remain committed to exposing human rights violations within the Jehovah's Witnesses community and will continue our efforts with renewed vigor

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SCHEMING TO END YOUR MARRIAGE NOW AS BAD AS APOSTASY

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/-yvykw37rzo?si=vwokohrdq2b53fmh.

by now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post tonny morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners.

nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :csa perpetrators and apostates.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/-YvYKw37Rzo?si=vWokohRdQ2B53Fmh

By now, it should be painfully obvious that we live in a post Tonny Morris era where the floods of organizational changes have become possible and a new version of the religion, some have called it Warchtower 2.0 is emerging with a soft approach to disfellowshipping practices across the board for all those sinners. Nevertheless 3 groups of people will still be targeted for harsh excommunication, we know the first two well :CSA perpetrators and apostates. The reasons are obvious, the first group has cost the Organization millions in settlement cases and the second, the apostates are the ones exposing the Watchtower for the toxic cult that they are, but the third one caught my attention "the ones who scheme to end their marriage".Whatever this is? And why is the Watchtower so concerned with this 3 group of people? Before I delve into the reasons why, here is the direction that was send to all elders only a few days ago from the Organization as regards disfellowshipping:

By skillful use of the Scriptures, the committee should try to reach the wrongdoer's heart and lead him to repentance. If through your efforts Jehovah gives the individual repentance, this is a cause for rejoicing. (Luke 15:7; 2 Tim. 2:25; 2 Pet. 3:9) In such cases, appropriate restrictions will be temporarily imposed. If the wrongdoing is widely known or likely to be- come known, a brief announcement of the reproof can be made to the congregation. Restrictions should be viewed as temporary and should be removed without delay as the individual makes a spiritual recovery. Of course, with certain kinds of wrongdoing—such as child abuse, apostasy, and scheming to end a marriage—restrictions will need to be in place much longer. (sfl chap. 12 pars. 10-12; chap. 14 pars. 22-24)

The SFL book,2022 edition has this to say about those "scheming to end their marriage:

Whether or not a divorced Christian remarries, if he deliberately committed adultery in a scheming way so as to end his previous marriage or he pressured his innocent mate to reject him so that she eventually agreed to a divorce, he has dealt treacherously with her. (Mal. 2:14-16) He would not qualify for special privileges for many years.—See 1:2.8; 2:4; 8:7-8.

Also a recent internal memo to elders over a year ago had this to say:

So this group of sinners have now joined the apostates and CSA perpetrators. This is not an accident. Here is what a think.Over the past decades due to a relaxed attitude towards divorces that left the door open for one or both marriage mates to invent new ways in getting a divorce this has created a toxic environment in many kingdom halls for the following reasons:

First, the divorce rate among Jehovah's Witnesses is way higher than previous years. In my congregation alone of 120 publishers I counted 25 divorces or over 20% rate.
Usually in the world people get divorced and remarry and disappear from the radar BUT in the Jehovah’s Witnesses they tend to stay in the Witnesses and many times stay in the same congregation creating a toxic environment for them and all the families involved.
Most of the times the innocent married parties get stumbled and leave and the congregation is then left with the rotten eggs that schemed in the first place to end their marriages.
Some brothers or sisters having realised they can get away with murder because of the loopholes the Watchtower created in the first place they turned divorcing Jw style into a cottage industry. I know off a sister who got away with 3 Scriptural divorces having accused her husbands for fictitious and yet Scripturally valid reasons to end her marriage.

The Watchtower has finaly realised that long term this attitude towards divorce has left them with congregations full of legally accepted adulterers who schemed their way our of Bible based marriage. This has created a void and a reducing in contributions from all those who walked away over the years because of this reason.

That is why in 2024 , this group, those who scheme to end their marriage have now become top priority target for long and harsh disfellowshipping, as severe as those who are accused for apostasy.

What do you think? Have ou witnessed that in your congregation? What does the future hold for jw divorces?

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Alternative Military Service is Now OK

by Sea Breeze in

but i wonder: how many jw's went to prison during the years that the wt did not allow them to perform community service as an alternative to military service?.

anyone care to take a stab at the numbers?.

raymond frantz

Thousands in Greece from 1945 to 1995, I ended up doing 3 years in prison for these cretins

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This verses will get you disfellowshipped in 2024

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/cefnvubzxce?si=edha3qmax4fxlwqq.

everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the christ does not have god.

the one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the father and the son.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/cefNvuBzXcE?si=edHA3QmaX4fxLwqQ

Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him

According to Mark Sanderson in his latest jwupdate #2 these verses in 2 John 9-11 will render you unredimable in 2024. No greeting at the meeting, no invite to attend a meeting at the kingdom hall and no visit from the elders. The Governing Body has decided these verses are about apostates which in jw language is anyone who opposes the Governing body and their authority. But is this the case? And what about this teaching of Christ these verses mention here.Let's find out.

The verse never mentions the word apostate, in fact you won't find this word anywhere in the 2 letter of John which consists of 1 chapter. On the other hand verse 9 clearly says that the "Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God" So is this "teaching of Christ" disobedience towards Mark Sanderson and his buddies OR something entirely different?

As always the context defines the meaning and so is the case here, because the disqualifier from being greeted as a brother or a sister here is that you deny the "teaching of Christ". With that in mind look what verse 7 has to say about this:

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist

Notice that there was a specific issue the apostle John was addressing here and that was the fact that some were refusing that Jesus came in the flesh. Last time I checked most of those who left the Witnesses and are still Christians do not refuse that Jesus came in the flesh. In fact don't know of anyone in the world today that claims such a thing. Most programs or documentaries or scholars take that as a fact, that Jesus came in the flesh.

So by only this clarification no exjw can be classed as an apostate.But what exactly did John mean?

Apparently during the end of the 1st century AD a new group of false Christians had emerged, the Docetists, yes I know strange name, from the original Greek dókēsis whicj mesns "apparition or phantom".

Docetism is broadly defined as any teaching that claims that Jesus' body was either absent or illusory. Two varieties were widely known. In one version Christ was so divine that he could not have possibly been human, since God lacked a material body, which therefore could not physically suffer. Jesus only appeared to be a flesh-and-blood man; his body was an simply apparition. Other groups who were accused of docetism held that Jesus was a man in the flesh, but Christ was a separate entity who entered Jesus' body in the form of a dove at his baptism, empowered him to perform miracles, and abandoned him upon his death on the cross.

In fact if you want to see what Docetism looks like today, thr following passage from the Quran is a strong contender, Quran 4:157:

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

It doesn't qualify all the criteria of Docetism but it sure looks like an attempt to diminish the the physical presence of Christ on the cross and many scholars have attempted in the past to tie that in with the Docetism of the first few centuries of the Church.

Now, this is a far cry from the definition of an apostate that the governing body slaps on their opposers and by doing so they seek to deceive you so you can believe their lies and to continue persecuting those that expose them.

For such men as the governing body members including Mark Sanderson the Bible is quite clear. In 2 John verse 7 we learn that after Jesus came here on earth "many deceivers have gone out into the world" .Interestingly the cross reference of the word "deceivers" in the NWT translation takes us to Matthew 7:15

Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.

Those who try to deceive you with erroneous interpretations of verses such as 2 John 9-11 in order to push their agenda to persecute their opposers are the "deceivers" and "the wolves in sheep's clothing" they are better known as the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan

by redsetter2 in

i am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.

the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.

i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.

raymond frantz

Redsetter2,

I have dm you back

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The END of DISFELLOWSHIPING AS we KNOW IT

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/1cceao2-tcc?si=ort5myfa1w5umksz.

raymond frantz

https://youtu.be/1cCEAo2-Tcc?si=Ort5myFa1W5UMKsz